I couldn’t find a place for this type of content on my website, so I thought I would dust off my wordpress
Im super passionate about Legacy moves and recording them accurately for PokemonGo, And by doing an Elite TM refresh of the data – I’ve finally had enough of all the incorrect Legacy moves that are listed out there on the internet!
With the recent release of Elite TM moves (24-Apr-2020), the Legacy move list (moves that are no longer possible to aquire in PokemonGo) has shrunk immensely. By using the new ultra-rare Elite TMs, Players can now gain access to around ~150 previously un-acquirable special event moves.
But Legacy moves are still a thing, any move-set that isnt possible to obtain in the Main series Games (MSG) remains locked away – due to an unspoken obligation between Niantic, Nintendo and The Pokemon Company – we still have to maintain the list of Illegal moves in the form of a Legacy Move List, these are not recorded in the Elite TM list because they’re not coming back.
Humorously Niantic nearly created a set of new Legacy Moves with the release of Elite TMs by presumably copying the incorrect information already found online (that im going to discuss) these mistakes were quickly corrected before the Elite TM feature went live.
The list of moves Niantic incorrectly had in the pre-release Elite TM List:
If you’re keen to check out my always updated Legacy move list, feel free to do so – however just for context the remaining Pokemon are on par with: Diglett with Mud Shot, Chansey with Psybeam and Lileep with Bullet Seed. None are really that game breaking balance wise, their only significance is lore related, as they’ve never been possible in any other Pokemon Game.
Now that the true legacy move list sits at around ~18 Pokemon/Move combinations – I’m more inclined to call out all the errors still present on other popular legacy move lists.
In the call-outs below I am going to refer to a file called the GAME_MASTER which is basically a client side list that sits on everyones phones and stores all of all possible move-sets in PokemonGo (alongside other things) and is one of the key files that allows us to gain insight into which Pokemon know what moves, even though almost everything is validated server side within the game.
Incorrect Legacy moves list
Below is a list of Legacy moves that have NEVER existed in PokemonGo
Zapdos with Discharge
This moveset can be seen in the GAME_MASTER file
up until 14-Feb-2017. however on 18-Feb-2017 we see Zapdos have its fast move replaced with CHARGE_BEAM_FAST. Zapdos wasnt officially added into PokemonGo until 6 months later in August of 2017
Moltres with Ember
Moltres with Ember can be seen in the GAME_MASTER file up until 14 Feb 2017. Just like Zapdos, on 18 Feb 2017 – Moltres had its fast move replaced with FIRE_SPIN_FAST. Moltres also wasnt added until August 2017 (6 months later)
Delibird with Ice Shard / Quick Attack
This ones a fun one! Delibird was released 21 Dec 2017 and during its debut it actually DID have these moves listed in the GAME_MASTER file, However; Niantic trialed a new server side configuration that forced the fast move “Present” server side for every Delibird (same with Pikachu) for the entirety of its stay during festive season – and thus it was never possible to get either Ice Shard or Quick Attack on a Delibird in 2017 due to a server restriction gifting you the move Present (and a cool 250 stardust). After Delibird left for the Holidays the GAME_MASTER was aligned, making it seem like a potential Legacy move.
Loudred with Crunch
A seemingly in-consequential move that occured alongside a bunch of other moves – not sure why this one is so prevalent!
Crunch was removed from Loudred on 12 Jan 2018
Loudred was then released 11 days later on 23 Jan 2018
The below listed moves are reported less often – but for completeness sake I will include them for anyone that might be interested.
Kyogre with Dragon Tail
This one was followed closely by the community for a week, as this potential moveset would have been key to defeating Rayquaza in the following month. So naturally people were disappointed when it was removed – and thus it was common knowledge that this move-set was not a possible one. | Removed: 4-Jan-2018 | Official Release: 12-Jan-2018
Milotic with Water Gun
A downgraded move from what it actually got – again occurring before its release.
Removed: 9-Dec-2017 | Official Release: 21-Dec-2017
(No dedicated official Release Post – see hyperlink comments)
Latias with Dragon Claw
Everyone was pretty in-tune with how pre-release balances at this point, also outshone by Latios, this one didnt gain much traction despite how close the change was to release.
Removed: 2-Apr-2018 @ 18:00 UTC |
Official Release: 2-Apr-2018 @ 21:00 UTC
If you have (or know anyone who has) any of these Pokemon – definitively reach out to me on reddit = /u/p337_info
Proof for the Legendary Birds
Game master files were not heavily documented when Zapdos and Moltres had their moves changed, however I have tracked down some old GAME_MASTER files that record their move changes months before their release. See this zip file for decoded files
If you trust my sources – here are some screenshot comparisons of Zapdos and Moltres, you can see a distinct change in decoder patterns between the file dates – I cant remember if I did that – or the decoder I was using was date sensitive.